This episode features a clip from the recent episode of The Ezra Klein Show “Behind the panic in white, Christian America” where Ezra talks to Robert Jones. I typically find Ezra’s questions more compelling than the guest’s answers, and this episode isn’t really an exception, but Robert was plenty good too. I particularly liked this part where Ezra talked about how politics trails demography by 10 years while culture is 10 years ahead of demography, resulting in everyone in America feeling they’re perpetually losing.